I would like to petition not to nerf the Kathis further before go-live. Please hear me out! The Lipis (and I the Shets too) were nerfed I'm sure - at least the ones I pulled from the foundation were on average MUCH worse in confo and GP than the ones from beta. Lipis are a side project for me, I've done them from release day with a smallish herd (~40) and even with buying some better stock and spending millions of HRC, I still have not managed a Star predicate. It is taking very long and I've already sort of lost interest in the breed again - the same happened with the Shetties. (which I guess is good so I can make room for the Kathis I guess) . I know that those who breed nothing but Lipis have reached that mile stone a while ago, but I am not willing to throw out my two heart breeds (yet). Seeing some tangible sucesses happening a bit sooner than that might be keeping casual breeders a little more interested. My 2 1/2 cents, your mileage may vary